we can grow our way out of debts and deficits. we've got a ginormous economy. we had a huge black friday weekend. probably $600 billion for the total shopping over the holidays. the question is, as we get close and getting into december, if it looks like talks are breaking down and we have the same old lines on no tax increases for the wealthy versus no spending cuts at all on the left on social security or medicare, then you get people getting nervous. the markets get service, the markets sell off, we have a problem. if we go into january and there's the basic broad outlines of a deal that we can retroactively fix some of these tax rates, extend unemployment benefits, if that is the general tenor of things going into december we'll be fine and we'll get a deal in january and go ahead. but if it's more of the same politics as usual, you're going to see spending get cut down. people are going to get nervous and businesses are concerned about the long-term outlook. >> let me bring back eamon on that point. do the markets care when you see the ceos and some of the